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Problems with Signals and Incentives on the MySpace Platform

Last post 08-28-2008 4:05 PM by StephanieBamBam. 7 replies.
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  • 08-27-2008 7:41 AM

    Problems with Signals and Incentives on the MySpace Platform

    The MySpace platform can be viewed economically as a set of signals and incentives.

    Regardless of MySpace's intentions, the net result of the way the platform is structured and all the policy actions taken thus far has been to reward spaminess and punish "good" apps.

    MySpace authorities are clearly unhappy with this state of affairs since they continue to issue a series of new policy announcements meant to address these problems.

    In fact, each successive policy announcement is a tacit acknowledgement that all the previous policies failed to solve the problems.

    In terms of viewing things economically, something as simple as highlighting "recently popular" apps is an incentive to use any means to get quick spammy growth in order to be on that list over planning slow and steady growth. And the whole system is structured like this.

    As far as I can see, the only incentive to following all the rules is to earn the staff's appreciation. While this is nice, it's not like extra free promotion.

    Even the secrecy can be seen as contributing to the problem. There is a reason why trials are public or shops post photos of people caught shoplifting. The point is not to merely punish the offender, but to send clear signals to other people potentially contemplating doing the same.

    If the crime was bank robbery, MySpace's justice would be to secretly make the robbers promise not to do it again, but let them keep all the money they stole. The criminals would then begin robbing savings and loans while MySpace turns a blind eye, claiming it's a gray area since technically savings and loans might not be banks.

    Outside of arguing the intrinsic merits of many popular apps, everyone knows that most of them used very spammy tactics to acquire users, and everyone can see they actually benefited greatly with very little consequences.

    It's like the broken window theory. All these apps are huge gaping broken windows sending a clear signal that this is a bad neighborhood, no one cares, and there is no hope. "Good" people will either leave, become victims, or turn to crime themselves in order to survive.

    While I hope things change and will continue to develop apps for the time being, I actually don't expect much. I see MySpace dominated by a handful of large spammy app companies and making money off porno-like ads for web-cam girls. It's 99% of the way there now.

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  • 08-27-2008 10:09 AM In reply to

    Re: Problems with Signals and Incentives on the MySpace Platform

    The forums are a place for the community to rant as much as they'd like - you have every right to post your opinions here, and we've heard it.  But there isn't really any kind of response that can ever be given to this kind of post. I'm glad you had an opportunity to air your grievances. Obviously, we don't agree, but you're always welcome to rant here.

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  • 08-28-2008 12:16 PM In reply to

    • Seth
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    Lack of PostTo iFrame support = Time to abandon myspace.

    So I've really hit a brick wall with this lack of PostTo support in iframes, which is too bad because I've spent quite a bit of time on this app.  But it is clear without this support my app is nearly useless and it's time to jump ship.  I warn anyone working on an iFrame app to determine if you'll need this functionality early on. 

    The discussion surrounding PostTo on the forums has been going on for months and the promises made by the MySpace devs hasn't come to anything.  I'm not trying to criticize anyone here, I know this is a huge project your undertaking and you've got more bug/feature requests then you can handle.  

     I will check back in a month hoping something has been figured out here.  I'd like to make one suggestion.  In facebook, when you create a new event and you want to invite people to it, you can add a lot of people at once and send one mass invite.  It would be ideal to have the same functionality for the PostTo messaging, so that you can send to all the selected users at once and only fill out one message form (w/ captcha).  Obviously this opens the door to spamming, so I would limit it to sending to friends of the owner (or perhaps only people with the app installed, then the people without it installed could get an app invite instead, which of course should also support the mass invite functionality).

  • 08-28-2008 12:27 PM In reply to

    Questioning the viability of the myspace platform

    Lets see..

    - Install counters break on a nearly daily basis (which effects your placement on the app gallery)

    - The gallery has been pretty much broken for the past two weeks and now totally screwed today

    - every thursday you practically bring the whole platform down

    - apps get suspended for myspace platfrom bugs

    - unclear app guidlines that reward spammers and punish the good guys

    - Horrible user adoption (even if you run ads)

    This is the lowest preforming platform next to FRIENDSTER. seriously do you guys even care? Do you plan on doing anything about this or do you think the platform is fine as is?

     

     

  • 08-28-2008 2:59 PM In reply to

    Re: Questioning the viability of the myspace platform

    Would LOVE to see your source for "lowest performing platform next to friendster."

    Do we care? of course. Why else would we be here answering you. but as I said in another thread, you keep asking the same questions over and over and over. Answers are no different than what I said to you last time you asked, which was what...yesterday?

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  • 08-28-2008 3:05 PM In reply to

    Re: Problems with Signals and Incentives on the MySpace Platform

    StephanieBamBam@MySpace:

    The forums are a place for the community to rant as much as they'd like - you have every right to post your opinions here, and we've heard it.  But there isn't really any kind of response that can ever be given to this kind of post. I'm glad you had an opportunity to air your grievances. Obviously, we don't agree, but you're always welcome to rant here.

     

    As you can see, I've combined a couple of threads here.

    See the note above.  This thread will get forwarded to the powers that be.  More threads of this type will be merged here.

    Rhonda

     

  • 08-28-2008 3:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Questioning the viability of the myspace platform

     Sure published numbers of user adoption for apps on FB, Bebo, Hi5 are all higher than myspace. That would put you in a tie for last with Orkut and friendster  (only because thier numbers are unknown).

     

    What question did I ask you in the other thread that I asked you here? The only questions I asked is if you care and if you think the platform is fine as is. Please read the words that I wrote not the words that you feel. Confused

    And no it isnt obvious that you care. You answer every challenging question with rude and dissmisive responses no matter how much time people spend explaining what they think.

  • 08-28-2008 4:05 PM In reply to

    Re: Questioning the viability of the myspace platform

    john and rhonda repeatedly answered your questions about incentivizing and the platform's stability. I spoke with you in chat the other day.

    I was assuming that your complaints here were some form of a question, but if you were just here ranting without looking for a response, that's cool. Ignore me for trying to respond.

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