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Application Denied Thread

Last post 09-04-2008 6:35 AM by iWill. 172 replies.
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  • 03-14-2008 5:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    I haven't gotten any email at all. It's just guesswork; check app, resubmit, and it gets suspended.

    What email gets sent to which address?

    Mark Lanett

    ImageChef

     

  • 03-14-2008 6:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Application Denied Thread

     The email saying suspended or denied will be sent to the email listed on your DEVELOPER account.

      

  • 03-14-2008 6:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Application Doesn't Work Rejection

    I resubmitted and got a rejection email this time.  Missing description and logo.  Well its there or at least it was and it shows everywhere so I am thinking there is a bug somewhere.  One thing I did notice when I save the Edit Details page when I save it blanks out the logo's.  If I hit refresh, they show up again (sometimes). 

    So the logo fields are blank but a logo is being shown, I did fill in the fields and it keeps blanking them out.  Just tried again but it keeps doing it

    It also keeps changing the categories I select and switching my primary and secondary.  Took a couple of times to get it to save as I set it.  Damn, it just switched them again. 

    Maybe this is why people are getting rejected and can't figure out why.

    Now  my app is suspended too.

    http://www.myspace.com/354364031

     

     

     

     

     

  • 03-15-2008 8:18 AM In reply to

    • Steph
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    Re: Application Denied Thread

     

    rondata@myspace:

    Post here.. I'll be merging threads here. 

    Hi Rondata,

    After I posted our query yesterday, you created this new thread category, but there was no direct response to my post. Is our issue being reviewed elsewhere? I noticed another poster refer to the "checkers". Will the checkers see the additional information I have submitted here to answer their concerns about copyright infringement/piracy, and will that trigger a re-review of our application?  

    Thanks 

  • 03-15-2008 8:22 AM In reply to

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    Hi Steph,

    I can't answer every single post there are too many users here.  If I brushed yours by, sorry about that.  Can you repost exactly what this was about? It would be impossible for me to remember. 

     I have to run out but I can check in later if you respond before I have to leave. 


    Thanks

  • 03-15-2008 8:23 AM In reply to

    Re: Application Doesn't Work Rejection

    Are you outside the US? Please see the sticky regarding description/image rejections.  Thanks

    Russ:

    I resubmitted and got a rejection email this time.  Missing description and logo.  Well its there or at least it was and it shows everywhere so I am thinking there is a bug somewhere.  One thing I did notice when I save the Edit Details page when I save it blanks out the logo's.  If I hit refresh, they show up again (sometimes). 

    So the logo fields are blank but a logo is being shown, I did fill in the fields and it keeps blanking them out.  Just tried again but it keeps doing it

    It also keeps changing the categories I select and switching my primary and secondary.  Took a couple of times to get it to save as I set it.  Damn, it just switched them again. 

    Maybe this is why people are getting rejected and can't figure out why.

    Now  my app is suspended too.

    http://www.myspace.com/354364031

     

     

     

     

     

     
  • 03-15-2008 8:24 AM In reply to

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    The email address is sent to the address listed on the developer account. Make sure it's yours. Many people use their CEOs or what not and that's why they are not getting their letters. Thanks!

    Mark:

    I haven't gotten any email at all. It's just guesswork; check app, resubmit, and it gets suspended.

    What email gets sent to which address?

    Mark Lanett

    ImageChef

     

     
  • 03-15-2008 8:25 AM In reply to

    Re: Submission denied email does not make any sense

    Your application can not start with MY or END with space. THanks!

    Raviv:

     Rhodna,

    Can you give me an official answear about using the word "space"in my app name?

    Thanks.

    Raviv:

     Rhodna,

    Can you give me an official answear about using the word "space"in my app name?

    Thanks.

     
  • 03-15-2008 8:27 AM In reply to

    • Steph
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    Re: Application Denied Thread

     

    rondata@myspace:

    Hi Steph,

    I can't answer every single post there are too many users here.  If I brushed yours by, sorry about that.  Can you repost exactly what this was about? It would be impossible for me to remember. 

     I have to run out but I can check in later if you respond before I have to leave. 


    Thanks

    Hi,
    Our app was denied approval because of...
    "Reasons: Concerns about the rights of the songs. [Piracy]"

    Our widget (or a link to our site) is currently being hosted by numerous Warner Brothers and Koch Records recording artist web sites on Myspace. We think this is the best evidence that actual copyright holders do not have any issues with the Mixmonsta widget and technology. Here are urls to a number of record-label-managed MySpace artist sites that are showcasing the Mixmonsta widget, or a link to our site.

    (Styles P Video Mashup Contest headline)
    http://www.myspace.com/stylesp

    (Make an Unk Video DJ Mix headline)
    http://www.myspace.com/djunkoompcamp

    (Remix our Videos headline)
     http://www.myspace.com/idiotpilot

    (Mix Talib Kweli Videos on MixMonsta.com headline)
    http://www.myspace.com/talibkweli

    (Watch/Make Jessi Malay Remixes headline)
    http://www.myspace.com/jessimalay

    Beyond the evidence that record labels and artists don't think our applications infringe on their copyrights, there are no copyright issues with the Mixmonta Music Video Mixer for the following reasons:

    1. The application never "saves" any video mashup or Video DJ remix. And it never "saves" the original videos that were used to make those mixes. When a user makes a video mashup, for example, all that is saved is the script of actions that the user took to create the mashup. Those actions basically amount to choosing which of the two videos appears on the main screen at any moment, and which of the two audio tracks is audible at any given moment. It's like jumping back and forth between two channels on a television.

    When a video mashup is replayed, we again stream the two original videos through the player, and then replay the user's action script to determine which video stream is displayed on the main screen at any moment.

    Making a video mashup does not physically alter either of the two videos that were used in the mashup. It also does not create a new video file that contains altered (mashed together) parts of the two videos. The two videos used for the mashup are never physically modified in any way.

    2. Mixmonsta is not a video hosting site. We never "save" the original videos used in mixes, or the mixes themselves. All we save is the "script" of the user's actions that were taken to create a mashup of Video DJ mix.

    When a user watches a video or makes a video mix on the Mixmonsta widget, the videos are streamed live directly to the widget. The videos are never saved on, or stored on our servers.

    If a host site removes a video that was used in a Mixmonsta mix, that mix will no longer play or display - on the widget, on our site, or anywhere else, because the "live" content that was accessed each time to create the mix is no longer available. 

    3. Mixmonsta only lets users search for and access videos from sites that are already guaranteeing that their content maintains all copyright protections (via Audible Magic, etc.) - such as MySpace, YouTube and Dailmotion.

    4. Users cannot download, upload or save the videos that they watch or mash using the Mixmonsta player.

    5. Users cannot "Send to Phone" any copyrighted video mix. The Send to Phone button utilizes the Cellfish network, which also guarantees copyright protection (via Audible Magic, etc.).

    If you have concerns that YouTube and Dailymotion do not adequately protect the rights of copyright holders for their videos, we can resubmit the application so that it will only access and mix videos that are hosted by MySpace.

    We would appreciate any advice on how we go about requesting a formal review of what our application is actually doing, and the safeguards that are already built into it to prevent copyright infringement. 

    Thanks for your help.

     

     

     

  • 03-15-2008 8:58 AM In reply to

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    This is a legal question and I'm not a lawyer.  

    I also can not foward this to our lawyers.

    I can't imagine any organization that would take someone's *word* for the fact that they're not violating Copy laws.  Again, not a lawyer, sorry I can't help with this one. 

     

  • 03-15-2008 9:14 AM In reply to

    • Cyn
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 03-01-2008
    • Posts 26

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    I finally got some denial emails.  One says "NO proper level of functionality. That is very basic things." and the other says "The application has no functionality."

     

    WTF?  With all due respect, what is my app supposed to be?  An independently thinking AI?  It's a straightforward widget, well-executed and nice looking, that would be at home on many MySpace profiles.  If, like the reviewer said, it has zero functionality and is a waste of space, by all means LET IT FAIL IN THE MARKETPLACE.  I don't think it will, and saying it has zero functionality is absurd and insulting.

     

    Where can we appeal this, or give an explanation to reviewers?  I can give a more compelling explanation as to why it should be approved, but I don't want to do that publicly.  Perhaps the reviewers fail to understand that my app depends on visitors coming to one's profile, and will have a mostly blank box until they do..?

     

    I understand that MySpace doesn't want its app space filled with trash, but this isn't trash--it's a carefully thought out design.  I never saw a disclosure that apps must meet some certain level of "complexity" (whatever that means).  What the hell is going on?

  • 03-15-2008 9:15 AM In reply to

    • Steph
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    • Joined on 02-05-2008
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    Re: Application Denied Thread

    OK. So what is our next step? How do we submit whatever information is required to "prove" that we are not violating a copyright prohibitions (especially when our denial does not spell out what type of infringement the checkers suspect)? 

    Since other applications, such as "I LIke," have successfully passed this review process, I assume that they too were flagged, and that some second review process must be in place. 

    Thanks 

     

     

     

     

     

    There are other applications, such as "I Like" that have already been approved, which access videos in the same manner as our application. It appears that we need to explain

  • 03-15-2008 2:10 PM In reply to

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    Cyn:

    I finally got some denial emails.  One says "NO proper level of functionality. That is very basic things." and the other says "The application has no functionality."

     

    WTF?  With all due respect, what is my app supposed to be?  An independently thinking AI?  It's a straightforward widget, well-executed and nice looking, that would be at home on many MySpace profiles.  If, like the reviewer said, it has zero functionality and is a waste of space, by all means LET IT FAIL IN THE MARKETPLACE.  I don't think it will, and saying it has zero functionality is absurd and insulting.

     

    Where can we appeal this, or give an explanation to reviewers?  I can give a more compelling explanation as to why it should be approved, but I don't want to do that publicly.  Perhaps the reviewers fail to understand that my app depends on visitors coming to one's profile, and will have a mostly blank box until they do..?

     

    I understand that MySpace doesn't want its app space filled with trash, but this isn't trash--it's a carefully thought out design.  I never saw a disclosure that apps must meet some certain level of "complexity" (whatever that means).  What the hell is going on?

    Wow, this is insane. Those reviewers just go berserk. I don't remember developers being treated like that on Facebook or Bebo. This is a major blow for MySpace.

    Instead of enforcing the nazi-culture, MySpace folks should indeed let the market decide what is good and what is bad.

  • 03-15-2008 2:24 PM In reply to

    • Cyn
    • Top 200 Contributor
    • Joined on 03-01-2008
    • Posts 26

    Re: Application Denied Thread

    Well, with no help whatsoever from MySpace (just a third denial) I think I know what's wrong.

     

    The approvers aren't bothering to look at anything but the Canvas surface.  In my case, they install, are auto-taken to the canvas, and since my app depends on visitors DOING something before there's any data to display, they see a  couple of headings with no data.  Then they do what any sensible  person would do when evaluating an app:  they assume that clearly, this must not be a real app; that this app must consist of:

     

    <html> <h1> RECENT VISITORS </h1> <h1> ALL VISITORS </h1> </html>

     

    And lo and behold, I get a third denial:  " App has no functionality.  It shows static text.". 

     

    I'll bet money that if I look in the server logs, they will not have even hit the profile or canvas surfaces.  Any takers, myspace? 

    What kind of an evaluation assumes that a data driven app with no data is, infact, static text?  This is actually quite insulting, and I have to tell you that I'm really, really angry right now.  

     

     

  • 03-15-2008 2:43 PM In reply to

    Re: Application Doesn't Work Rejection

    Yes I am in Canada.  I have read and followed the sticky to change my country to the US.  I then went to the App details page and reloaded the images and saved it.  They still blank out BTW but they do show up everywhere (but they did that before too).  Three issues remain

    1. my app is still in suspended mode, how do I get it unsuspended?

    2. the image fields blank out after saving

    3. my categories still switch back and forth and primary becomes secondary and vis-a-vis.

     

     

     

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